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Post by mh on Apr 11, 2014 12:18:52 GMT -6
this guy burns my biscuits. he went from getting tiny roles on soap operas & bad movies, to getting a dream job on a well written, well drawn, CARTOON in which his work was at best adequate, and for years has been able to enjoy the perks of being 'the most overrated person in the entire batman universe', and he gripes about every version of the character that comes out that he isn't involved in. if bale had done Conroy's 'cool batman' voice, it would've been terrible! who died & made this jerk the Pope of Bat-town?! diedrich bader doesn't run around doing that crap. if i'd been there i'd have yelled, shut up olan friggin soule!
(olan soule. he voiced batman, cashed the check, and kept his mouth shut.)
screenrant.com/kevin-conroy-calls-christian-bale-batman-voice-mikee-54681/
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Post by The Huntress Diana on Apr 11, 2014 12:22:47 GMT -6
LalalalalalalalalalICantHearYouLalalalalalalalalalal
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Post by Babu Baboon on Apr 11, 2014 14:44:07 GMT -6
He IS the pope of Bat-town!
I'll take his voice over cookie monster Batman any day.
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Post by Thai Ladyboy on Apr 11, 2014 20:15:08 GMT -6
I'm kind of torn here. I love Conroy's voice as the Batman and admit that he's kind of the authority on the subject, given that he's been the voice of the character on various platforms for 2 decades now. However, I find nothing wrong with Bale's bat voice. I don't see it as ridiculous, given the context of the movie - many people have grumbling, gravely voices but we don't really find it ridiculous if we know that that's how they sound like 24/7. Maybe we find Bale's Batman voice silly because we know that's not how he sounds like in real life (or how Bruce Wayne in the movie sounds like) but the criminals in the film don't know it. They probably just think Batman sounds like that because that's how gruff he is, or maybe he got his throat slashed and became Stephen King but with fists instead of wheelchair.
Also, I believe Conroy tried to put it as politely as he could. He didn't mock Bale's talent or anything, just the poor choice of voice to use.
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Post by Doc Quantum on Apr 12, 2014 1:24:48 GMT -6
Adam West knew how to enunciate, though. E-NUN-CI-ATE, old chum.
Nuff said.
(The Bat-Man)
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Post by Thai Ladyboy on Apr 12, 2014 1:47:59 GMT -6
I never learned to nunciate
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Post by Doc Quantum on Apr 12, 2014 15:19:59 GMT -6
I think the voices match the versions of Batman being portrayed.
Adam West perfectly matched the campy Sherlock Holmes pastiche that the '60s TV show was going for, with a Batman who could solve a riddle with a minimum amount of clues and make it seem effortless. I can't imagine anyone else pontificating on an obscure art form from an extinct Egyptian dynasty that allowed him to capture King Tut during his latest crime spree.
Kevin Conroy's Batman was still a detective, but he was more like a stern cop than Sherlock. He wasn't a happy guy most of the time, but his friends could catch him in his off-hours occasionally acting like a normal guy -- a dedicated cop who sometimes lets himself think about something other than work. He tells everyone that he's a loner, but all the evidence -- Nightwing, Robin, Alfred, Gordon, Superman, Wonder Woman, and the whole Justice League -- tell us he prefers to work with his buddies.
Christian Bale's Batman truly is a loner, someone who obviously cares about victims of crime, but may be more into the thrill of the hunt than anything else. This Batman is almost feral, a brute who doesn't do much detective work but who will not stop until he has stopped his enemies. His voice and actions combined make him sound like a man with both physical injuries and mental instability. In a city like Nolan's Gotham, it takes an insane man to stop other insane men, as only an insane man can think like them.
I suspect that the next Batman will be closer to the Kevin Conroy version out of necessity. I really hope that Affleck exceeds everyone's expectations.
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Post by mh on Apr 12, 2014 15:56:01 GMT -6
very very good. very well put. when bale did the war cry, to me, that really emphasized his feral man-bat quality. i loved the final movie! i really did. but it bugs me now that batman didn't have enough dirty tricks in that utility belt to win or at least escape. sh-t, west, keaton, kilmer or clooney could've managed it! i was being a bit factious, but i am way less of a batman TAS fan than the average comics fan. and i've noticed the word "overrated" has cropped up in connection with it more & more. and the fact is, we've never had a definitive batman. the people that see batman TAS as the definitive batman need to start taking their prozac! maybe it's a blessing, anyone who wears the red cape pales in christopher reeve's shadow. it's doomed the superman character
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Post by Thai Ladyboy on Apr 13, 2014 1:59:53 GMT -6
I love Routh's take on the character. Actually. I enjoyed Superman Returns immensely. I think he just had the misfortune of being cast in a Superman vs. Real Estate and Child Support film instead of being given an enemy worthy of a Superman.
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Post by Doc Quantum on Apr 13, 2014 5:26:07 GMT -6
Superman Returns isn't as bad as it's often made out to be, but it was sure a missed opportunity in many ways. Not only was Brandon Routh's Superman bogged down by mundane plot points, but Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor could have been put to a much better use than merely a retread of an old plot from an earlier Superman movie. Mostly, I found the movie forgettable, which isn't something I could ever say about Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, whose positives vastly outweigh some fairly big plot holes.
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Post by mh on Apr 13, 2014 16:29:15 GMT -6
i should give 'returns' another try. it & 'quantum of solace' are about the only major films in recent memory i stopped watching halfway thru. with 'returns', i'd read ebert's review which was pretty damning. actually the same goes for QOS, but that movie was pissing me off pretty good
whydoyouwannakillme?! .... enunciate!
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Post by Doc Quantum on Apr 14, 2014 3:56:26 GMT -6
That video is funny, and illustrates my E-NUN-CI-ATE point above very well.
I used to be able to watch (almost) anything. If it was on TV, I was willing to watch it through to the end. I don't know what happened to that kind of patience. I think I just have way too many choices. The other day, I was browsing through My List on Netflix, trying to find something to watch. I gave up after watching about 5 to 10 minutes max of six movies in a row. I just didn't have the patience for the slow buildup that most of them have. It feels harder to make that kind of time investment with a movie, if it doesn't immediately grab me right away. I don't seem to have as much of a problem if it's a good show, like Mad Men or Game of Thrones, which I've marathon-watched.
I've tried watching Quantum of Solace a couple of times, but I've never gotten more than halfway through. I'm not sure exactly why. Maybe there's just nothing that grabs me, no plot hook to reel me in. But maybe I'm expecting too much. I don't know. All I know is that my tastes have changed over the last 10-15 years of easily available streaming media.
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Post by Doc Quantum on Apr 14, 2014 4:01:30 GMT -6
Do you think Bale's Batman spits when he talks? It kinda seems like the Joker would have gotten a spray of saliva during that interrogation scene -- that's the only thing I would've added to that parody video above. (The Alfred one that guy did was pretty good, too.)
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