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Post by mh on Nov 26, 2013 1:02:55 GMT -6
well, i'm a big bond fan. a big ol' bond fan! i'm just gonna come out & say it, connery is the best bond. period. roger moore is my favorite bond. i saw about 3 of his bond films in the theater as a kid, and was blown away. i just never got over it. brosnan was a good bond. not as good as he thought he was, but good. the best bond film was 'on her majesty's secret service' (yeah no one agrees, but it's true, watch it!!), with george lazenby -- which I just spelled without google, proving what a big fan I am. the worst ever bond film was "quantum of solace" also known as "the bond (bourne) identity", and (well, everyone is gonna HATE me and probably send ninjas out to assassinate me), but I hated timothy dalton. i hated him!!! no charisma whatsoever. best bond line ever, during a chase, a guy falls into a snowblower in OHMSS, snow and blood shoot out. lazenby yells to diana rigg, "he had lots of guts!" she looks at him like he's out of his friggin mind 
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Post by mh on Nov 26, 2013 19:09:38 GMT -6
oh, and i think Daniel craig is a fantastic bond. "quantum of" not withstanding. whew, i remember a year or so ago, a lady in the break room at my work was telling me how great she thought it was that a 50 yr old guy was playing james bond. i was like "joyce, he ain't 50!" yeah, he's got an ugly face, but he ain't 50! one & on we went. i mean he's built like an olympic athlete -- how could she believe he was fifty?
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Post by Babu Baboon on Nov 28, 2013 8:17:25 GMT -6
I guess she figured if Sylvester Stallone could look like tat (with gobs and gobs of steroids), then that's what Daniel Craig must have done.
Craig wa a pretty good bond. That scene in Casno Royale where the guy had him tied nekked to a chair with no bottom and was smacking him in the nads with a knotted rope still makes me wince.
Brosnan was the one who looked the most like you'd expect Bond to look. I wish he'd played the role more like he did in Remington Steele where he was pretty much Bond in everything but name.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 15:31:36 GMT -6
Big Bond fan as well. I love the Connery and Daniel Craig films the most and I agree with you about OHMSS, I don't get why people hate it so much. I love the books as well and tracked down the old 60's Pan editions. I didn't read the later series from the 80's and 90's but have just read the last few released which I highly recommend. Devil May Care and Solo are set in the 60's and are a nice continuation of the Fleming novels and Carte Blanche is a very entertaining re-imagining set in the present where Bond is a veteran of the Afghanistan campaign.
Also did you see the dispute over the Blofeld character was recently settled and MGM are free to use him again? I saw one rumour that he could possibly be in the next film.
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Post by mh on Nov 29, 2013 22:30:45 GMT -6
Brosnan was the one who looked the most like you'd expect Bond to look. I wish he'd played the role more like he did in Remington Steele where he was pretty much Bond in everything but name.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/2316542/Brosnan-gives-Bartoli-the-licence-to-thrill.html
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Post by mh on Nov 29, 2013 23:09:42 GMT -6
Big Bond fan as well. I love the Connery and Daniel Craig films the most and I agree with you about OHMSS, I don't get why people hate it so much. I love the books as well and tracked down the old 60's Pan editions. I didn't read the later series from the 80's and 90's but have just read the last few released which I highly recommend. Devil May Care and Solo are set in the 60's and are a nice continuation of the Fleming novels and Carte Blanche is a very entertaining re-imagining set in the present where Bond is a veteran of the Afghanistan campaign. Also did you see the dispute over the Blofeld character was recently settled and MGM are free to use him again? I saw one rumour that he could possibly be in the next film.
i hadn't heard about the blofeld controversy, but it's not surprising. having "thunderball" done out of house has bitten MGM & the late cubbly broccoli in the butt a lot over the years. g-d, please don't let them get mike myers to play blofeld
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Post by Babu Baboon on Nov 30, 2013 11:30:05 GMT -6
Does Mike Meyers even act anymore? After how well "The Love Guru" did, I figured he was managing a Quiznos somewhere.
It would be cool if they could bring back some of those cool bond bad guys. It would be neat to have SPECTRE show up again.
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Post by mh on Nov 30, 2013 12:32:12 GMT -6
i'm surprised he hasn't done another Austin powers, or maybe a sequel to 'I married an ax murderer'. SPECTRE -- that would be great. i hope the put some gadgets & fun into the next one. i like craig, but his bond has been a real sourpuss  |
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Post by The Huntress Diana on Jan 29, 2014 7:36:27 GMT -6
Everything or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007 has been making the rounds on cable again -- and I keep watching it.
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Post by williscorto on Feb 3, 2014 4:06:01 GMT -6
IMHO Craig has been the best Bond, because he is a thug. In the novels, Bond is damaged goods. Craig's bond is of the same mould. He's a psychotic, stone-cold killer who is attracted to married women (ie. loves being a party to betrayal as well as besting male opponents - or perhaps just other males), is an orphan who went through a horrid time as a kid, and falls in love with someone who he subconsciously knew would betray him. Nutjob.
I kind of like villain stories, where the villain is the protagonist. I find protaganoists motivated by altruism or love or patriotism have a thin appeal. (Its different if they are, say, motivated by money but act out of love - that's good writing, as a rule. See Ford Madox Ford's The Good Soldier, where the most incredibly unexpected thing happens with one of the characters at the end which blows you away.) Craig's Bond is a bad guy who happens to be working for the English government against other bad guys. You see him in action and think there but for the grace of God, he would be a terrorist.
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Post by mh on Feb 3, 2014 16:09:42 GMT -6
IMHO Craig has been the best Bond, because he is a thug. In the novels, Bond is damaged goods. Craig's bond is of the same mould. He's a psychotic, stone-cold killer who is attracted to married women (ie. loves being a party to betrayal as well as besting male opponents - or perhaps just other males), is an orphan who went through a horrid time as a kid, and falls in love with someone who he subconsciously knew would betray him. Nutjob. I kind of like villain stories, where the villain is the protagonist. I find protaganoists motivated by altruism or love or patriotism have a thin appeal. (Its different if they are, say, motivated by money but act out of love - that's good writing, as a rule. See Ford Madox Ford's The Good Soldier, where the most incredibly unexpected thing happens with one of the characters at the end which blows you away.) Craig's Bond is a bad guy who happens to be working for the English government against other bad guys. You see him in action and think there but for the grace of God, he would be a terrorist. on paper craig is the best bond. and i can understand why there are a small pissy group of bond fans who believe timothy dalton was the best bond! the bond of the books, his hedonism aside, had an unbreakable loyalty to queen & country. it was too ingrained to ever allow him to turn. i don't see that with craig's bond. dalton had it, as did all the others. i feel like without the affliction of patriotism & respect for Q to the level of brainwashing, it just isn't bond. otherwise, he'd just sell his services to the highest bidder, or go over to the other side when he's captured & certain to die. connery's bond was fairly close in thugery. like craig he was a weapon that Q was able to exploit. my biggest problem with the moore films, aside from some of the stupid over-the-top comedy, is that Q seemed to lose his hold over bond. Q became too ordinary, just a boss. I've never read ford maddox ford, and never expected to see him mentioned in a bond topic! i'm the only person i know, who has any idea who he was. my only impressions of ford are from hemingway's 'a movable feast', where of course 'the hairy one' makes him look like a psycho |
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Post by williscorto on Feb 3, 2014 18:44:37 GMT -6
I think you mean M not Q? Q is the "q"uartermaster.
Dalton seemed hardcore after Roger Moore's foppery. I can see a valid argument to Dalton's Bond being closest to the novel. Connery's Bond certainly was a brute - he didn't mind smacking around the girls, although that perhaps was more a sign of the times than anything else.
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Post by Thai Ladyboy on Feb 3, 2014 19:19:01 GMT -6
I've always seen Brosnan's James Bond as similar to Brandon Routh's Superman. They both did a fine job and provided a version that was in tune with what people would have expected from the definitive versions, yet both were saddled by films that people didn't like as much as they should.
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Post by Killian on Feb 3, 2014 20:52:43 GMT -6
Odd choice of words for this context.
With all due respect, I agree with DaveCorto that Craig is the best Bond. He brought quite a bit of emotional complexity to the character, and merged the archetype closer to a certain prince of Denmark.
Mentions of the Bard lead to Dalton's training. I'd say Dalton is simultaneously the most finely performed, ruthless, and also subtle Bond. He's a realistic wolf, but lacks audience appeal because he played the role too conservatively. Saying that Dalton portrays a realistic hired killer is like saying the moon looks cold.
I find there's a certain balance between a veristic Bond and the histrionic 007 that the actors tread. Dalton takes the least leaps and makes for a conventional world class spy. Craig's Bond is the most humanly compelling for his depth. At another length, I'd say Connery is closest to Fleming's Bond because the tones of his portrayal are likewise larger than life. In the end, most Bond fans are ordinary people (especially me) spending the better part of their free time seeking thrills in the extraordinary.
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Post by williscorto on Feb 4, 2014 2:17:29 GMT -6
Its an interesting observation, though, that Dalton's Bond was wedded to Queen and Country more clearly than Craig's Bond. I confess I hadn't thought of that and its a good point.
The problem with Dalton's Bond was not that he was too realistic - it was that he just wasn't interesting. Two sides of the same coin, perhaps.
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