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Post by The Huntress Diana on Feb 4, 2014 7:49:52 GMT -6
Dalton's Bond was too early...and by that I mean, his style of the "Bond" image came at a time when it wasn't really what audiences wanted to see.
I think, if the time frame of Brosnan and Dalton were switched, things would have been incredibly different.
Hell, we'd probably see Craig's Bond in a different light as well.
May 8, 1963: Dr. No – Sean Connery
April 8, 1964: From Russia with Love – Sean Connery
December 22, 1965: Goldfinger – Sean Connery
December 29, 1967: Thunderball – Sean Connery
June 13, 1967: You Only Live Twice – Sean Connery
December 18, 1969: On Her Majesty’s Secret Service – George Lazenby
December 17, 1971: Diamonds Are Forever – Sean Connery
June 27, 1973: Live and Let Die – Roger Moore
December 20, 1974: The Man with the Golden Gun – Roger Moore
July 13, 1977: The Spy Who Loved Me – Roger Moore
June 29, 1979: Moonraker – Roger Moore
June 26, 1981: For Your Eyes Only – Roger Moore
June 10, 1983: Octopussy – Roger Moore
October 10, 1983: Never Say Never Again – Sean Connery
May 24, 1985: A View to a Kill – Roger Moore
July 21, 1987: The Living Daylights – Timothy Dalton
July 24, 1989: License to Kill – Timothy Dalton
November 17, 1995: Goldeneye – Pierce Brosnan
December 19, 1997: Tomorrow Never Dies – Pierce Brosnan
November 19, 1999: The World is Not Enough – Pierce Brosnan
November 22, 2002: Die Another Day – Pierce Brosnan
November 17, 2006: Casino Royale – Daniel Craig
November 14, 2008: Quantum of Solace – Daniel Craig
November 8, 2012: Skyfall – Daniel Craig
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Post by mh on Feb 4, 2014 15:48:54 GMT -6
Its an interesting observation, though, that Dalton's Bond was wedded to Queen and Country more clearly than Craig's Bond. I confess I hadn't thought of that and its a good point. The problem with Dalton's Bond was not that he was too realistic - it was that he just wasn't interesting. Two sides of the same coin, perhaps.
i think you have something there. to a big extent, i find the same thing true with craig's bond. there's no real tension. you always know where he's coming from. one thing i liked about brosnan, he's somewhat cold & unlikable onscreen. yeah, i know i just said that i liked that he was unlikable.  the acid test for bond is, (quoted often) that you never knew if connery was going to kiss the girl or stab her under the table. i don't get that from craig or dalton. brosnan might do it
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Post by williscorto on Feb 4, 2014 23:04:17 GMT -6
I think this GQ summation posted by Doc Q on another thread of the different Bonds (I feel like we're talking about Dr Who, here) is pretty good.
B - I personally think there is more continuity between Connery's Bond and Craig's Bond than Dalton's Bond and Craig's Bond, but I understand what you mean.
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Post by mh on Feb 8, 2014 14:12:42 GMT -6
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Post by The Huntress Diana on Feb 8, 2014 21:36:41 GMT -6
I loved Skyfall. It felt more like Bond than Quantum of Solace.
From the theme song to Q to Moneypenny to the exit of Dame Denche as M and Finnes as her replacement.
There wasn't much I didn't like about Skyfall.
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Post by mh on Feb 9, 2014 18:23:01 GMT -6
i'll give it a try. after 'quantum ...' which i couldn't even sit thru, i was understandably apprehensive. here's ebert's review of quantum, which i completely agreed with. wow, why'd it take so long for another film?
www.rogerebert.com/reviews/quantum-of-solace-2008
'camille squeal'?! wow, sometimes i really miss that guy
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Post by williscorto on Feb 9, 2014 22:07:58 GMT -6
I loved Skyfall. It felt more like Bond than Quantum of Solace. From the theme song to Q to Moneypenny to the exit of Dame Denche as M and Finnes as her replacement. There wasn't much I didn't like about Skyfall. Skyfall was Dark Knight Returns: To wit: a. orphaned boy (Bruce Wayne) with kindly elderly caretaker (Alfred) looking after big mansion (Stately Wayne Manor) with tunnels (Batcave) b. Bond comes out of combat fatigue-related retirement (DKR), fights sinister deformed fiend (Joker) using a car with machine guns (Batmobile) c. mansion and tunnels blown up towards end of story (DKR) Even at the conclusion, Bond is perched on the rooftop looking down on his city with the Union Jack flapping in the breeze, just like the common Batman motif of that character standing on a roof top looking down on Gotham with his cape flapping about him. No wonder we all liked it. |
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Post by mh on Feb 9, 2014 22:36:57 GMT -6
I loved Skyfall. It felt more like Bond than Quantum of Solace. From the theme song to Q to Moneypenny to the exit of Dame Denche as M and Finnes as her replacement. There wasn't much I didn't like about Skyfall. Skyfall was Dark Knight Returns: To wit: a. orphaned boy (Bruce Wayne) with kindly elderly caretaker (Alfred) looking after big mansion (Stately Wayne Manor) with tunnels (Batcave) b. Bond comes out of combat fatigue-related retirement (DKR), fights sinister deformed fiend (Joker) using a car with machine guns (Batmobile) c. mansion and tunnels blown up towards end of story (DKR) Even at the conclusion, Bond is perched on the rooftop looking down on his city with the Union Jack flapping in the breeze, just like the common Batman motif of that character standing on a roof top looking down on Gotham with his cape flapping about him. No wonder we all liked it. back up ... (truck backing up) beep! beep! beep! were there things in the film you didn't like? has bond become a chauvinist again, and if he's given royal beluga caviar, can he tell you what part of the Caspian sea it's from? these are things i need in a bond. i can't explain it, I just do
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Post by williscorto on Feb 10, 2014 1:39:11 GMT -6
Oops. Spoilers. Sorry.
I liked the Craig Bond very much. So even the lousy Quantum of Solace was ok, for me.
As for this movie, there were some dumb plot holes (the big one being that the bad guy lets himself get captured for no obvious reason other than to show how clever he is and escape: the significance of the casino chip and how it opened so many doors in terms of intel was weird). But the opening fight in in Istanbul is brilliant and very tense: the fight in Shanghai equally so.
Its a good watch.
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Post by Killian on Feb 10, 2014 18:26:49 GMT -6
I loved Skyfall. It felt more like Bond than Quantum of Solace. From the theme song to Q to Moneypenny to the exit of Dame Denche as M and Finnes as her replacement. There wasn't much I didn't like about Skyfall. Skyfall was Dark Knight Returns: To wit: a. orphaned boy (Bruce Wayne) with kindly elderly caretaker (Alfred) looking after big mansion (Stately Wayne Manor) with tunnels (Batcave) b. Bond comes out of combat fatigue-related retirement (DKR), fights sinister deformed fiend (Joker) using a car with machine guns (Batmobile) c. mansion and tunnels blown up towards end of story (DKR) Even at the conclusion, Bond is perched on the rooftop looking down on his city with the Union Jack flapping in the breeze, just like the common Batman motif of that character standing on a roof top looking down on Gotham with his cape flapping about him. No wonder we all liked it. Indeed, Skyfall also ripped Joker's intentional incarceration strat from TDK, as a plot's taproot it sure lacked purpose. I'm one to talk since I have about as much rhythm as a broken accordion. The film's technological facets were naive, I believe they will age like those of Moonraker's. I was a little embarassed for the script writers. More positively, Skyfall's metanarrative tactics were brilliant. Its motifs ran parallel to the Bond franchise's own demons. With QoS's release, thus was stripmined the last original Fleming title, and the film's tone left a niggling feeling whether Bond was a relevant icon anymore. Things went further sour; MGM ran out of dough re mi and Bond 23 seemed to be in limbo for some years. Bond's flagbearers could have easily crossed their arms, crossed their eyes, ignored Bond's problems, and released any meh plot with any meh title. Instead, they went far beyond and tore the clouds asunder at the nonbelievers. Skyfall was the film equivalent of a german suplex. I couldn't have asked for anything better. (disregarding many of the valid criticisms of the movie  ) |
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Post by mh on Feb 17, 2014 18:40:58 GMT -6
i'd like to see them film ian fleming's, the man with the golden gun. i understand it was considered one of his lesser books, and of course was already filmed. however the roger moore 'golden gun' bore no resemblance at all to the book. i do however love the movie! i enjoy it for all the wrong reasons. it had maude adams, one of the hottest bond girls, tattoo from fantasy island being his mean little self, a stereotypical fat redneck sheriff, and christopher lee as scaramonga. (!) (sp?) -- and he had three titties!! and another thing to love, AMC furnished all the cars for the film, so there are pacers, gremlins, matadors, hornets, and javelins friggin everywhere! damn!! i think i'll watch it right now!
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Post by williscorto on Feb 25, 2014 1:05:22 GMT -6
You know, I think this is one of the few Bond films I haven't actually seen...
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Post by mh on Mar 1, 2014 0:43:12 GMT -6
You know, I think this is one of the few Bond films I haven't actually seen... a lot of people would tell you that's a bad place to start, but not me!
and oh, obviously this thread was going to lapse into 'obscure bonds' eventually. sorry, please indulge me. first there was a 1973 TV dramatization, considered by some bond fans as the lost bond holy grail. in it an actor named christopher cazenove performs bond in goldfinger. i've of course never seen it, but goldfinger is suppose to have threatened bond with a circular saw instead of a lazer beam! sounds more like the books. a guy on this bord I looked at said he saw it at a bond 50th anniversary thing, and john gardner (who wrote a buttload of bond novels after fleming) was sitting 3 rows ahead of him! (the actor was on dynasty later. for you younger guys, that was a 1980's show -- back when they accidently aired soap operas at nite, featuring a lot of collagen injected show ponies, like joan Collins)
 
and in the game 'agent under fire' andrew bicknell was the likeness of bond because brosnan was holding out for more damn money and hadn't signed to do the next film yet! an actor named adam blackwood voiced it, and continued after brosnan came back. Her did The World Is Not Enough, 007 Racing, 007: Agent Under Fire and Tomorrow Never Dies. he had a good voice, but wasn't no good lookin' boy. looks like roman polanski
 
I saved the worst for last. in 1954 there was a 'climax' tv special featuring 'jimmy' bond, an American agent. this is so bad, I'm not sure how they got it to stick to the tape! but please enjoy it in it's entirety
no, i take it back! the worst bond on film was this screen test james brolin did for octopussy, when they figured roger moore who was in his early 90's i think by then, would not come back for another film. but he fooled them! after going to stüttgart for his millionth series of sheep cell injections, he came back looking like justin beiber's daddy! whew, youtube should make you sign a waver before watching this
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Post by mh on Mar 2, 2014 23:53:45 GMT -6
james bond faceoff: brosnan vs lazenby! this mentions that OHMSS was voted best all tile bond film in 007 magazine. i said that already!
brosnan did a heck of a fencing fight in die another day, but exciting as it was, it wasn't as cool as the lazenby/bogner sking stunts
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Post by mh on Apr 1, 2014 21:45:44 GMT -6
really nice 'view to a kill' review
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the acid test for bond is, (quoted often) that you never knew if connery was going to kiss the girl or stab her under the table. i don't get that from craig or dalton. brosnan might do it 
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